From: "Richard Sanders" <richard@quest2025.net>
Subject: RE: [Civic-Courage] Suggestion for one thing to do in next day or so ....
Date sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:43:43 +1000
Looks pretty spot on to me, What more can I say?
Best wishes, Richard.
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From: "Andrew Marks" <andrewm@lsi.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Civic-Courage] Suggestion for one thing to do in next day or so ....
Looks good to me ........
Andrew
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From: Tim Edwards <ccgroupte@yahoo.com.au>
Date sent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:13:53 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Civic-Courage] Turtle & Altruism Foundation
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At the risk of being negative I am not convinced that the Altruism Foundation or Turtle awards is the place to start.
Having visited the foundation website I would see a good deal of divergence between their objectives and what I see as the purpose of the CCG.
What is the purpose of the CCG
I had it in mind that the purpose of the CCG is to recognise and promote courage in the field of environmentally sustainable development and socially sustainable development.
If we allow the purpose to go beyond this already broad field we will, in my view, loose the point - at least as I had it in mind.
As an extreme example. Obviously there is courage and dedication in sport and military endeavours. Obviously these are not the point.
So we try a tighter definition. Is the point courage and dedication in politics given that our name is Civic Courage. It could be.
This becomes a matter of judgement and choice.
The members of the CCG need to make a determination and presumably in a democratic manner.
My vote would be to steer clear of politics. I would much prefer to set up two arenas for - environmental courage and social courage.
Altruism vs Courage
I respect the objectives of the Altruism Foundation. But frankly I do not see the two (altruism and courage) as being the same.
Courage can obviously be in fields that are not primarily altruistic. Our economic system is not fundamentally altruistic.
If the CCG wants to promote altruism more than it wants to promote courage then the foundation is a good place to start. But I for one do not.
Nor do I hold the ambition of changing the fundamental economic system - this is too great a reach and the chances of success are low.
I want to promote courage within the existing economic system because I believe that there is tremendous scope for leaders and particularly for the general public to emulate the behaviour of those that show courage within our existing systems.
Awards - Turtle or Otherwise
As mentioned in my prior note I would prefer to see the CCG focus on its founding principals as opposed to what I see as a far less important matter - awards.
The question becomes again: What is the CCG trying to accomplish.
Could we have submissions on this matter.
Cheers
Tim
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From: Claire Morgan <claire@futerra.co.uk>
Date sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:10:02 +1100
Subject: [Civic-Courage] An introduction and a few ideas
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I don’t think the Turtle award in its current form would be the best thing to build on. My main reasons are that (i) the Turtle award is all about leadership whereas I don’t see this project as being about judging leadership . Obviously those who show courage are often leaders, or unacknowledged leaders, but I think the focus of our thing should be the extent to which they’re showing commitment + acting on their values in the face of adversity not who is the biggest leader. (ii) I’m afraid that the turtle, beautiful creature though it is, does not conjure up totally positive images in my mind (slow, cautious). Just with a marketing hat on I think it could be twisted by the press!
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All the best,
Claire Morgan
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